Thoughtful conversations with the people of Maine

When you have a traumatic experience like that, it's gonna change you, it's gonna affect you. And I think I was going to do things because I could, I could run, I could jump, I could play sports.

Part of the reason I left the law was in Maine, I was experiencing that the firms were still run kind of old school in that the partners were looking to the younger associates and saying, I had to do my time. You're gonna have to do your time.

I think when I hire people, I look for folks that are, I'm really interested in what they value in life, and one of my favorite questions to ask people is what's their favorite job and why they loved it so much. I think it helps give me an insight into who they are, and I think hiring people for culture first and then teaching people skills, that translates into the experience.