Thoughtful conversations with the people of Maine

I didn't wanna keep going and piling it on, but I was really convinced and, maybe delusively, so I was convinced. I would say, you might be right. Call you back in a year. We'll know better by then.

You have to show up each day. You can't just kind of, you really can't be a Sunday painter and get where you wanna go if you're really trying to go somewhere with it. It's a practice just like learning a piano, yoga, et cetera.

When I was working in the traditional systems, the Western systems, I should say, it was hard. It didn't value, 'I want to know your story.' That was looked at more often as boundaries, having boundaries. And I often looked at that as, oh no, that's where we get to the healing.