Thoughtful conversations with the people of Maine

I think it really is that expectation setting at the beginning that is both the expectation that you're setting with the candidate and with the hiring manager, both of whom need to understand that really the most important things to hire for are those foundational skills of the future. Things like problem solving, things like a growth mindset and curiosity.

I saw a van Gogh painting and it just kind of just really kind of knocked me back that there was that much power in something. I related to the strong powerful colors and brush strokes and it just took my breath away and I said, some way or other, I want to be doing that.

I didn't wanna keep going and piling it on, but I was really convinced and, maybe delusively, so I was convinced. I would say, you might be right. Call you back in a year. We'll know better by then.