Thoughtful conversations with the people of Maine

At a certain point, it's all about the mark, the glob of paint, what you're doing on that canvas. And there is an equal amount of assuredness of what you want to do and then there's that surprise. It's like, oh, it just, I got it right there.

I asked myself, do I want to spend the rest of my life doing this or the rest of my work life? And the answer was no. I was missing things in his life and I said, what am I going to want when I retire? I'm going to want that time back.

There is a tension when we talk about the social drivers, when we talk about other determinants of health, there's kind of this tension and belief about individual choice and someone's choosing to do X, Y, and Z, and then these other contextual factors. At the same time, if where they live to go for that walk or that bike ride is really beautiful, it's safe, there are sidewalks, there's some kind of separation between cars and where they're cycling or walking, that's great. That's not necessarily within their control, but those are policy levers that we can pull to change that dynamic.